Structures: society and art

I was listening to David speak about how there needs to be a structure for society which is flexible, adaptive, and expanding like organic structures like our bodies, something as we breath like we breath.

The rigid confines of rules and regulations within defining and categorizing art have been breaking down for hundreds of years. The philosophy that everything can be art (whether everything is art is another dispute) is similar to the philosophy that everything can be sacred. The opportunity to find meaning in anything leads to and understanding that everything can be a teacher and and an acknowledgement of the great potential which lies in all forms of being. I think that’s what makes art today radical. When rules/structure cease to be oppressive and serve only to define character or as a tool there is a freedom for exploration which allows for an expanded self and pays homage to the plurality/adaptation of self.  Art practice now encompasses so much that the artist is free to follow their intuition and  change.

I suppose this is similar to the ideal society that David was describing. I imagine it like modern art practice, where everyone is free to choose their own path without the oppression of systems, a society which encourages adaptation.

Structures: society and art

surge + david

1:19 distractions – computer games, newspapers. workers revolution  in the industrial revolution  there were no newspapers but ignored to organize and educate the workers was through newspapers the hierarchy realized that knowledge is power so they gave them tabloid new ignored to simulate the masses

4:07 communism and religion both sound good on paper but in practice doesn’t work

4:31 even anarchists feel that they need masses to create change, its simulating the masses, puppets. is it control or is it chaos

4:60 anarchist friends just young people full of anger I started to question them and they get embarrassed because they don’t know what they are doing it

5:52 new world order

7:06 organizations are dangerous in their extremes but people don’t want to vote for what they don’t know… confusion and apathy

7:54 media controlling the masses fear

10:30 every fifty years the government declassifies certain files, transparency

12:54 agnostic vs intelligent creator

14:30 in third world countries people have a different relationship to material objects

15:30 getting high off addiction to phones and games simple entertainment

….. not sure what to do with a recording like this where my voice is so prevalent. I have to decide whether I want to edit the recordings snipping and splicing or whether no matter what is recorded it is part of the piece. I am ok with conversation that doesn’t really make a point. when people are just saying ideas and they don’t always connect or lead to anything. I think the last half of the convo is a little more on point.


surge + david


Listening Notes:

1:01 None authoritarian hierarchy need to establish a common understanding of humanity

2:20 conditioned to perceive reality in a narrow minded way

2:52 a little joke.. every creation has a creator, religion

3:37 atheism a self defeating belief

4:37 religion tries to teach us non attachment

5:30 a lot of aboriginal groups have a good grasp on how to be human

6:00 emotional hygiene. it’s all in your head get over it is like saying to someone who has just broken their leg its all in your leg just walk it off

6:50 depression, belief system, drive

7:23 a lot of people don’t know where they are going so they are going through life in a haze of confusion and why people try out stereotypes

8:35 life is like a movie and you can choose any character you want to be

10:24 ego is good like anything else if its channeled right

11:33 gorilla artivists squats + artists

12:12 people have only evolved what they are doing instead of the way we treat each other/live

12:07 artificial + organic, artificial intelligence and organic intelligence codes programs, the universe is evolving as we are as a society and population. we need a system which is flexible and evolving otherwise it will just collapse on itself

14:20 the glory and the fame has been misplaced… open source world… class system

18:56 computers based on humans

20:00 sometimes I just sit and watch people and I notice how instinct based peoples interactions are

20:36 my body is hyper sensitive to emotion to the point were I might have a fit, epilepsy. a robot gets short circuited

22:32 junky society addicted to feelings always wanting experiences addictive cycle work and party

23:46 write a manifesto on how to live a happy life 3 disciplines mind heart body.. how does your soul want to express itself. find your beliefs and be prepared to be challenged. when you don’t have faith you don’t have a destiny. society today takes away faith and we become lost.

26:00 when I didn’t believe anything in one time in my life I got depressive

27:09 feminine and masculine the universe started feminine and masculine followed. human is a good flexible machine

28:09 destructive is bad

32:04 everything exists even spider man and if something doesn’t exist it doesn’t exist so don’t worry about it

32:40 respect universal laws : ecosystem





Steve Recording

Recording notes:

0:22 you can’t be a musician with out thinking about life that what we do we’re mirrors we illustrate things

1:53 David bowie to suffragettes equality of the sexes Steve continues to comment on events in Germany over new years, immigrants, etc:

“Almost three weeks after the incident, 838 people have filed criminal complaints, including 497 women alleging sexual assault. The scale and nature of the crimes in Cologne, coupled with police descriptions of the perpetrators as being part of a large crowd of drunken men of “Arab or North African” origin, has fanned the debate about Germany’s approach to migration. Almost 1.1 million asylum-seekers arrived in the country last year, many of them from countries where women face greater discrimination than in Germany.” – CBC news

3:30 I’m hoping that people will grow up I’m 66 now and I’ve spent my whole life thinking that people will grow up and they never yet have done

4:25 the status quo 1950’s England authoritarian, in the 50’s you were allowed to be a child apposed to today where fear dictates how children are treated

6:00 governments have increasingly become the figure who dictates what the people should do like a parenting figure. yet it is not the role of the government to tell people how they should live.

7:06 the whole of life leads to illness and death your only choice is well which way do I go, the only ability you have is making your own discussions you can not change society

7:44 20 years of age lefty, socialist, revolutionary… realized the people in these scenes were not prepared to do anything about the ideas

8:24 my generation dropped the ball but i firmly believe that we could have changed the world. i do believe that people can change the world but to be able to do that you have to be able to change yourself first.

9:10 when I turned 30 I realized politics is a game. and if you stand up for what you believe in and take the public stoning that comes with is than you are not a politician you are a revolutionary

9:42 at that point you are like a soldier sticking your head up from the trenches and you will get shot at and from the most unlikely directions

10:28 being able to deal with change is really difficult, that’s the real problem.

11:00 the problem with democracy (and I do believe in democracy) what do you do when the majority wants a government that doesn’t really care about looking after the most vulnerable people

12:50 I am a pacifist but we still need to be defended against people who would do us harm

13:04 I grew up in a world people considered dangerous were every second thought you were like oh my god are they going to drop a bomb

13:54 NATO is very important to England bedrock of the west

15:19 Trident, built when aggression was state not individual/religious aggression. we might have to fight a war with people who will not ever declare a war because they don’t see it as a war.

16:24 as a song writer I am always aware of fates role in our lives

17:40 Apathy lack of community alienated in society (but it is a big city)

18:40 out there in england itself the country people are angry looking for answers. this is the reason why the labour parties politics is becoming more relevant because it reassures people not because its not the answer

20:10 most people get a choice in life some people recognize that and some people don’t. part of your role is to answer those questions yourself (pertaining to stopping and helping strangers on the street)

new recording begins after Desmond interrupt announcing he’s leaving the shop to get some more tea bags

1:13   Instinct is really sharp.. idk why. life taught me to be aware trained me to watch and learn and put things into practice

2:21 Instinct is a blinding light

3:01 nothing changed things got worse (socially/politically)

3:22 England was the sick man of Europe everyone on strike socialist government mid 70s

5:45 I have a nasty tendency not to do what people say its almost an article of faith I do what I feel needs to be done this area of personal responsibility

6:10 I believe that our goal as human beings is to understand our personal responsibility for  everything.  everything I’ve  been doing since making the realization is helping other people realize this point.

6:50 it’s down to you.

8:34 who am I and where am I going? two most important questions. most young people let the winds blow them wherever

9:40 despite everything the world still makes no sense. spent all your life learning that.

10:10 in your heart of hearts in the early hours of the morning you know that you have to do something you can’t just keep free wheeling

10:28 what is life? I’m still figuring it out

11:01 if you go out specifically with the intention of being the person you want to be every day you will become that person. this whole thing is a light show to distract us from the real goal .. to enlighten and raise up. every interaction w people is deeply meaningful even the simplest thing

13:55 the voice in my mind, instincts. people think these things are fairy tales. oh i don’t need religion because I’m a strong person, bollocks. the only thing you can win is you. you are the prize

15:45 you’ve got to accept your place in the world







Steve Recording


Polyphonic Transcript word

I started typing out the transcript of my first recording. I was thinking of creating a book kind of like a screen play that would accompany the work, a transcript of all of the speech that is included in the piece. However it is extremely time consuming. Until I am certain that it is necessary I will not spend my time typing it up. I do like the translation of spoken word to written word. I’m really interested in the captured moments more than anything and the characters that form.

an excerpt:

“im not getting on no ship im on a life boat for now I want to swim in the tides and one time when some one I will ask and cries and scream out for a life boat to pull me up on to deck so I can look at the world and think oh fuck let me back in again into the waters (laughing) let me in I want to be with the fishes fuck this Im a pisces (more laughter) I want to be with my family… practice first to understand our brain and what makes us tick and what makes us what turns us on and what turns us off and analyze ourselves as characters yeah and then through that through that practice of control over the brain we get to understand where our emotions come from cause our brain has certain conditioned transmitters that make us react in certain ways for certain things which emotionally gives us our character our emotions our very our foundation to our character is in front of people or when you learn those things you learn a lot about yourself your brain your emotions and then you can start to find out in your environment when certain things that tick you off or piss you off how not to react to them and how not to react to them and”


Speakers – Janet Cardiff



the photos above document two installations of Murder of Crows by Janet and George. The speakers are supported simply by stands, chairs, or tables. familiar domestic devices. The configuration is reminiscent of Janet’s 40 Part Motet which I have experienced at the MoMA PS1 in 2012 and at the Art Gallery of Ontario (AGO) in 2013.  However in the 40 part motet there is a simply an oval of speakers on stands and depending on the installation a bench or two in the centre. I’m interested in the calculated distance between the speakers and hight with the constant being that the speakers are all the same size. I wonder weather each layer of speakers has certain pitched sounds or volumes assigned to them. for example i would direct low bass sounds to the speakers on the ground and would have placed those speakers closer to the centre.  I’m also interested in the specific placement of the listeners who’s seats are the same as the speakers.


I am drawn to this strong image from Dark Pool.

Experiment in F# minor.

This image of the sculpture is very strong. I was also interested in the title F# minor is an interesting choice. the interaction between the sculpture and the participant viewer’s shadow is wonderful! I’m thinking about the relationship between the work and viewer and how that can define the work.

Speakers – Janet Cardiff

The Bullet

“if any such shots are fired close by, your neighbourhood will be rebuilt by Frank Gehry (more high profile architects are listed). this is the kick back of any such shooting and if you notice such building activity taking place around you I suggest you throw yourself flat on your belly to take cover because stray bullets may still be flying around that were not yet absorbed into Gehry’s software.”

very interesting response to the reality of museum sponsors and the implications of artist participation/support to these institutions

The Bullet


go to an extreme and then retreat to a more useful position… artist behaviour is considered to go to an extreme position and defend it and occupy it. i want to know about the boundary conditions but I don’t want to be there. they exert an influence they allow things to be possible

never made music from a purely intuitive position, always connected into a big theoretical position. the music doesn’t have to show the theory but it is the theory that leads you to decisions you wouldn’t have made otherwise

the worlds organisms are a product of forces and constraints reconfiguring in different ways, the basic thought on how the universe works runs into how i decide to make music – like art practice

when you hear two instruments playing the same melody you know it’s a conspiracy

freedom and meticulous (deceit) the original and the simulate

music that is just context without action – music for film

sometimes when you arrive new in a place you can really see it

technology used to generate verity rather than fixing something in place

art as an interaction rather than a quality

anyone who seriously believes in an afterlife is likely to be mad in this life